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KinkForAllNewYorkCity
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Thank you and followups!
KinkForAll New York City is over, but this page and its related pages will continue to evolve.
The event was a stunning success, with over 100 participants at some points during the day and a grand total of 45 presentations. Although the event itself is over, this is just the beginning. Some things to do now are:
KinkForAll New York City - Pre-registration Signup
This is the inaugural KinkForAll event—the first one in the world. It will be held on March 8th at 10 AM to 5:30 PM in Room 310 of the LGBT Community Center at 208 West 13th Street, between 7th and 8th Avenues. See below on this page for directions and details.
To participate, please press the "Edit" link at the top of this page and add your name as a new row to this table. (If a blank row is not available, place your cursor in the bottom-right most cell and press TAB.) When you're done, be certain to join the mailing list and introduce yourself. If you can't participate in person, you can instead chat about this event, and watch streams from it online.
▾ No. |
Name (or Pseudonym)
| Homepage/URL |
Email
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Participation (Unorganize, Attend, Present, Help Out?)
| Presentation Topic |
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1. |
Meitar "maymay" Moscovitz |
ConversioVirium.org Profile |
bitetheappleback at gmail dot com |
(Un)organize, attend, present |
Using technology to enhance sexuality communities (like KinkForAlls!), how technology influences ideas of hegemonic sexuality (and vice versa), using Google to challenge obscenity, or whatever else people want to hear about. :) |
2. |
Sara Eileen |
SaraEileen.com |
saraeileen at gmail dot com |
(Un)organize, attend, present |
Being an unorganizer (why & how), blogging & writing, coming out and being out in personal and public spheres, dominant women in the scene, managing queer presentation and identity, entering a new scene, how erotic writing makes better sex. |
3. |
Mr. Sinclair Sexsmith |
sugarbutch.net |
aspiringstud at gmail dot com |
unorganize, attend, present |
Gender theory, identity development, butch/femme identity, presentation, and dynamics, strapping on & sucking butch cock, how to fall in love without losing yourself ... and probably a bunch of other things too. |
4. |
Boston Boy |
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bostonamateur at gmail dot com |
attend, present |
Tentatively available for: erotic hypnosis, grappling. Also happy to assist other presenters. |
5. |
Maja |
www.squealsofdelight.wordpress.com |
squealandyelp at gmail dot com |
unorganize?, attend, present |
Status as a scene tool |
6. |
Clarisse Thorn
|
http://clarissethorn.wordpress.com/ |
clarisse.thorn at gmail dot com |
attend, present
|
Famous SM scandals / legal precedents; Coming-out stories; Anti-BDSM activists and their arguments; Related practices that aren't part of the BDSM subculture |
7. |
Jason |
|
Pikeman at Gmail |
attend, present, help out |
Technical Punching and Kicking, Switching on an Instant, Switchable Thug Play, The Frugal Dom (BDSM on a Budget), Panels on relationships, poly, Coming out Curious (an Exploration of the Bi-side) |
8. |
Viviane |
www.thesexcarnival.com |
viviane212 at gmail |
promote, attend, take photos, live Twitter, maybe present |
sexual privacy, blogging, social media |
9. |
Týr |
justalovetap.wordpress.com |
romanticrope (at) gmail |
attend, maybe present, help out, disorganize |
punching, switching in a relationship, |
10. |
Emily |
worthlessdrivel.net |
echomromeo (at) gmail |
attend, unorganize/help out as needed--and present! |
The Politicization of the Closet |
11. |
Estra |
c18h24o2.blogspot.com |
c18h24o2 at gmail |
Attend! I don't know if I know anything well enough to present it, but I'd love to do whatever y'all want me to (how appropriate!)! |
Health and safety, being new to kink in general, feelings (aww), and my own experience with gender-things and labels. If you want me to talk about something, ask and I'll tell you if I can! |
12. |
Goddess Coko |
http://www.goddesscoko.com |
goddesscoko@yahoo.com |
attend,help out, present |
strap on play, intenstions of spanking |
13. |
Dov |
http://www.washi-nawashi.com |
dov@washi-nawashi.com
|
attend, help out, present, disorganize and help discombobulate |
A limited class list: Understanding negotiation, Japanese Bondage Fundamentals, Basic Rope Bondage Workshop, , Hogties Workshop, Predicament Bondage, Bondage for punishment and pain, Beginners Signal Whips / How to Throw a Whip, Intermediate signal whip throwing, The Art of Flogging and How to Hit Hard, Knives and Pointy Things, Fun and Pain with Canes |
14. |
Mischief |
http://la-travesura.blogspot.com |
la.travesura at gmail |
attend, present maybe? |
Kink and cruelty-free lifestyles, kink ethics, aftercare and the like |
15. |
Audacia Ray |
http://wakingvixen.com |
dacia at wakingvixen dot com |
help out, promote, attend, present |
How to Be a Public Sex Intellectual Without Getting Hurt (look! I made a clever title!)
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16. |
Axe |
http://www.unspeakableaxe.com |
unspeakableaxe@gmail.com |
help, attend and present (If I grow a pair and think of something) |
I'm open to ideas!! Maybe something having to do with service or how do download lots of free porn. You know, things I'm good at! |
17. |
StacyCat |
stacycat.com
|
askafatchick@gmail.com |
attend, present |
stigma reduction, how sex positivism will change the world |
18. |
Angel & Sebastien
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toyboxmodern.com
|
instigatenyc@riseup.net |
present, promote, attend, unorganize |
Some class possibilities: Ageplay and Erotic Regression, Blood Play and Venipuncture, Fucking as Edgeplay, In Service, Knives, Needles and other Sharp, Shiny Things, Mindfuck - The Psychology of a Scene, Mortal Danger - A Fetish for Murder, Punching in the Face (and Other Places), Takedowns, Resistance Play and Kidnapping, Top Drop, Selfcare for Dominants and Guilt, Trans Bodies and Kink
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19. |
Janet |
janet12nyc@msn.com |
janet12nyc@msn.com |
will attend 2009-03-08 |
Will observe and participate if asked. |
20. |
Ranat |
http://beyondthehills.wordpress.com |
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attend, present, provide slave labor |
Err, making toys out of sustainable materials?
Kink outside the box?
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21. |
Zac |
http://eyehooksandleather.blogspot.com |
loadrated@gmail.com |
attend, help out, present |
kink as ritual, hardware and hardpoints, lighting for photography |
22. |
Tyler |
ConversioVirium.org profile |
tylerthepup@gmail.com |
attend, help out |
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23. |
Aaron Blaise |
|
blazingboots at gmail.com |
attend, present |
bootblacking/ leather care. DIY leather/ fetish clothes. Super 8 filming& queer/kinky docu-art. I'm best at leading conversations (rather than presenting). Topics of current interest included: Queer/ Radical Monogamy; Age-play & Agism; Altered Consciousnesses (Drugs, BDSM, Sex & Sanity); BDSM & Rape/ Incest Surviors. |
24. |
Lolita Wolf |
http://www.leatheryenta.com/ |
lolitasir at gmail |
attend, present, promote, help out, take photos, shoot film, post a review a host photos and film after the event |
I have a class list on my website, but could also possibly do other topics as well. |
25. |
Barbara Carrellas |
http://www.urbantantra.org
http://www.barbaracarrellas.com
|
barbara at urbantantra dot org |
attend, present, promote, help out |
I have a class list on my web site but I could do other topics and/or variations as well. |
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26. |
Gael and
Chris
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gael.just.gael (at) gmail |
attend, help out, disorganize |
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27. |
Sofia Varino |
|
socialintervention (at) gmail |
promote, (dis)organize, help out |
dancing, tarot readings, foot massages, osteopath
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28. |
Naomi Dove |
http://www.kinkyjews.com/ |
contact at kinkyjews dot com |
attend, promote, present |
kink and sexuality in the Jewish community |
29. |
Nickel Dakota |
www.countdowntzebra.com |
nickeldakota@hotmail.com |
attend, present, help out |
Producing erotic films |
30. |
Jack Stratton |
writingdirty.com |
jackwritesdirty@gmail.com |
attend |
Unfortunately due to a family emergency I will not be able to present and maybe not even be able to attend. |
31. |
Avah |
designingintimacy.com |
avahsascent@gmail.com |
attend, possibly present, food, bring camera |
Sex Toys 101? |
32. |
Nymph |
|
hookyhikes@pobox.com |
attend, present |
nudism, shaving, masturbation workshops, polyamory ...
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33. |
Tilda |
http://fuckalovestory.blogspot.com/
http://kinkandculture.blogspot.com/
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tildaofbrooklyn@gmail.com |
attend, maybe present, help out |
Fishnets and Furry Handcuffs: perceptions of kink in popular culture. |
34. |
Jovan |
http://foolsjourney.blogspot.com |
twitter: betwixt |
attend, help out |
queer folks of color, queer identity, gender theory |
35. |
Jocasta |
venusropes.blogspot.com |
venusropes@gmail.com |
present |
Rope Bondage, Types of rope,
Navigating your way in the scene: the ultimate act of self-discovery.
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36. |
Atherton Bartelby |
athertonbartelby.wordpress.com twitter.com/abartelby
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athertonbartelby@gmail.com |
Attend, and help out |
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37. |
Debra Hyde |
pursedlips.com
debrahyde.com
thinaircodex.com
|
debrawriting@cox.net |
attend, assist, present |
Uncommon Illustrations: A look at flagellation and spanking art from (not quite) rare fetish novels, pre-1950. I'll have a projector for the presentation. |
38. |
Marcello NYC |
http://www.sexual-eccentricity.com
http://twitter.com/marcelloNYC
|
marcello219nyc@gmail.com |
Attend, help out and possibly present. |
Prostate Pleasure - Anatomy, Terms, Toys and Tricks. |
39. |
Sascha |
howmyotherhalflives.wordpress.com
twitter.com/saschak
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saschasotherhalf@gmail.com |
Attent, help out, present... |
Humiliation play, The submissive "no" (aka finding strength in submission) |
40. |
Marah |
|
kiss AT gypsyartist.org |
attend, present |
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41. |
Scorpio Queen |
|
ticklefetishist gmail.com |
Attend, help out, spread the word |
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42. |
Syd |
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syd26@aol.com |
Attend, help out, anything that seems like fun |
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43. |
RecursiveKink |
http://recursivekink.blogspot.com/ |
recursivekink@gmail.com |
Attend, help out, spread the word |
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44. |
Lady N. |
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ladynnyc@aol.com |
Attend/help out |
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45.
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Deafdyke |
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Attend, help out |
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46.
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Mila |
www.ladyiconoclast.com |
ladyiconoclast@gmail.com |
help out |
mac/network tech
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47. |
Chelsea Leigh |
|
mustbethursday@hotmail.com |
Attend |
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48. |
Bear |
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thejestyr@hotmail.com |
Attend, help out as possible. |
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49. |
Calico |
http://blog.misscalico.com |
misscalico@gmail.com |
Attend, help, present |
Dirty Sexy Money (why & how money is hot), Sex Work 101, beginner poly, sewing (yay sewing!) |
50. |
Jim |
|
boaterman@yahoo.com |
Attend |
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51. |
ammre |
|
ammre (at) ammre (dot) org |
Attend, help as possible |
Gyn exams (maybe), demo bottom/assistant ready |
52. |
Pyrate |
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Silver_Thistle at yahoo |
attend, help as possible |
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53. |
eve |
|
lthrbaby@aol.com |
attend |
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54. |
Zephyr |
boundzephyr.com |
zephyr (at) boundzephyr (dot) com |
attend, help out, unorganize, present |
no title yet, but it's sorta Queer Theory; perspectives on (trans)gender, kink, and everything else, I guess you could say
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55. |
roman |
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sexyo4eva@gmail.com |
attend, set up |
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56. |
Rob Deary |
|
nycrdeary at gmail |
attend, present |
Seven Piercing Disasters, And How To Avoid Them |
57. |
zoe |
|
punkzoe@gmail.com |
attend, set up, help out |
i can be a test dummy or model for a presentation if necessary. please email me if you would like me to assist in such a manner. |
58. |
Yin |
http://mistressyin.livejournal.com |
yin.quan@gmail.com |
attend, food |
sending two party platters of Subway sandwiches-- one vegetarian, one meat.
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59. |
Goddess Roze |
|
GoddessRoze(at)aol(dot)com |
attend, help, present |
TBD |
60. |
Mike (bostonpup) |
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straypup at gmail |
attend, help out! |
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61. |
Brian |
|
aceofheartsssc@gmail.com |
Attend |
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62. |
SAmber |
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BfulDisaster@hotmail.com |
attend, help, possibly present |
demo bottom/assistant. Gyn exams (maybe)
couples massage (maybe)
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63. |
Colby |
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soloc11 yahoo |
attend, help out |
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64. |
Boymeat |
http://www.boymeat.org |
BoymeatTES@aol.com |
attend, present, help out |
Class list is located on my website. Would be happy to share my kinky brains! |
65. |
desiringsubject |
|
desiringsubject@gmail.com |
attend, present, help out |
Instruction Scenes (101)
or
BDSM identities (top/bottom/switch/dom/sub.....others!)
or
Service
or
Eroticized Inexperience
|
66. |
Jimmy |
|
jimvmurray@hotmail.com |
attend, help out |
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67. |
Kristen |
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aspiringstud at gmail dot com |
attend |
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68. |
Byron |
byronadventure.wordpress.com |
byronadventure@ymail.com |
attend, help out |
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69. |
Cindy |
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vickery (dot) cindy (at) gmail.com |
present, promote, attend, be generally adorable, help as needed, and will bring cookies, too, if that's a good thing (but someone needs to let me know) |
Polyamory 101: You CAN Have Your Cake and Eat It Too. |
70.
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Holli
|
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polysemous1 (at) gmail.com |
present, attend, help out |
Flogging 101
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71.
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Emms
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www.eyehooksandleather.blogspot.com |
switch.and.boy@gmail.com |
Attend, help out, present, set up, take down, be useful if ever I can be |
Puppy play for the Flustered Human (or "Wurprise! Your lover's a Puppy! now what?"), Kink in Miniature (bits bondage, spring steel switches, and other very small toys), Deep Impact (saps and punching and why I love them best of all)
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72. |
Lynsey |
www.kinkystickfigure.com |
lynsey@kinkystickfigure.com |
attend, help out |
I'd like to see a class called (something like) So, You Wanna Be a Demo Bottom; however, having never been a demo bottom, I couldn't teach it. But I could do a panel sort of thing (I have loads of ideas), where folks who have bottomed and tops can answer questions. |
73. |
Lily |
www.livingsomewhatdangerously.blogspot.com |
lilyvndp@gmail.com |
attend, help out |
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74. |
Amy |
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fiercelingua@gmail.com |
attend, help out |
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75. |
Evan |
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evan@br.org |
attend, present, help out |
Youth in leadership |
76. |
Lauren Waddell |
www.twobigmeanies.com |
lauren@twobigmeanies.com |
attend |
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77. |
Selina Fire |
selinafire.blogspot.com |
selinafire@gmail.com |
attend, present |
writing dirty |
78. |
Martyn Fire |
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badbeachboy@gmail.com |
attend |
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79. |
Sully |
www.walshmetalworks.com |
sullivan@walshmetalworks.com |
attend, help out |
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80. |
Megan |
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attend, bake |
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81. |
NYUGirl |
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nyugirlintown, gmail |
attend, help out, possibly demo bottom if friends present |
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82. |
Cheshire |
http://www.kinkyjews.com/ |
contact at kinkyjews dot com |
attend, promote, present |
kink and sexuality in the Jewish community
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83. |
Mark |
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blake_chunkman@yahoo.com |
attend, help out |
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84. |
Jim Deuder |
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deuder@mail.com |
attend, help out, present |
The sexy side of bootblacking/leathercare
Rhythmic punching or caning, connecting with your partner, guiding them to a high intensity they didn't expect possible through reading feedback, encouragement, rhythm etc.
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85. |
Michael the Artist |
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michaeltheartistnyc gmail |
attend, help out, be late (should be able to get there between 11:00 and noon), can also help with photo shoots. |
Can help with basic Japanese Bondage and/or teach 3-4 foundation ties, can help with Flogging 101 (how to make a deer skin hurt like a ....), can do spanking intro, Daddy/girl relationshops or marriage and the scene. |
86. |
biyoshipatrick |
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biyoshipatrick@gmail.com |
attend , shoot photos |
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87. |
Jen |
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js2437@gmail.com |
attend, help out |
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88. |
Nayland |
www.naylandblake.net |
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attend, help out |
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89. |
Isa |
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isabeau dot vidal at gmail |
attend, unorganize, present |
kink in second life |
90. |
Amanda |
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xxpinkypunkyxx at gmail |
attend |
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91. |
Sabrina |
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attend |
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Additional (optional) places to make your interest known
Needs list
Support equipment is still in the process of being organized. Currently, we have need (or want) of the items on the following list. If you are participating and/or are able and willing to lend us a hand, we'd very much appreciate it. Offer your help by sending email to the mailing list so that we can coordinate getting things done together. If you are already planning to bring things please list them on the KinkForAllNewYorkCityInventory page.
- Camcorders/handycams/video and audio recording equipment. (Bring your still cameras, too!)
- A projector that can be attached to laptop/notebook computers
- Wireless Internet access equipment to provide free Wi-Fi (the venue cannot provide free Wi-Fi on its own!)
- 3G/WiMax cards
- Wireless WAN routers, etc.
- Butcher paper or other large paper on which to create a schedule grid.
- Large-ish post-its with which to write presentation topics on.
- Whiteboards/flip-boards or other presentation accessory materials of the sort.
- Buttons/t-shirts/bumper stickers, or other inexpensive-to-create and free-for-participants shwag?
- Disposable utensils and plates on which to eat. ;)
Location and Directions
We're being graciously hosted by the fine folks at the LGBT Community Center, located at 208 West 13th Street, between 7th and 8th Avenues in Manhattan's West Village. Room 310 will be the primary, largest room, and we'll have 2 additional rooms to run presentations in, giving us a total of approximately fifty (50!) 20-minute presentation slots to fill the day with.
The Center is easily accessible using the following public transportation options:
- Subway:
- Take the 1, 2, or 3 trains to the 14th Street station (exit at 7th Avenue)
- Take the A, C, E, or L trains to the 14th Street station (exit at 8th Avenue)
- Take the F or V trains to the 14th Street station (exit at 6th Avenue)
- New Jersey PATH:
- Take the PATH to the 14th Street station (exit at 6th Avenue)
- MTA Busses:
- Take the M14 to either the 7th or 8th Avenue bus stops, walk one block South to 13th Street.
Map of the area
Use the following map of the area near and around the LGBT Center to help find your way.
Donate
This event would not be possible without contributions from participants like you. There are a number of ways you can contribute—only one of them is financial. If you can make or bring any of the things on the needs list, please do so! If you can't but still want to help out, then please consider offering a monetary donation in the amount of your choosing by clicking the "Donate" button, below. Even as little as $5 goes a very long way towards helping us hold a better event.

Your donation is being routed directly to an unorganizer of this event and will be used for the event itself, its promotion, or the promotion of KinkForAll only.
Individual donors choose to contribute their time, money, efforts and/or assistance as a means of expressing their support for the ideals and goals of KinkForAll. To view a current list of individual financial donations so far, see the KinkForAll New York City financials Funding sheet.
Sponsors
Sponsors make our event better by donating some resources of their organization to the KinkForAll community. These are organizations you know and love, or will love if you don't already know them.
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Comments (16)
Audacia Ray said
at 8:33 am on Feb 4, 2009
I can bring a video camera and a Flip video camera, plus an audio recording device.
I can bring food too - as we get closer to the event and know how many people will be attending I'm happy to go shopping for eats. If it's preferable to food I would be happy to pony up $$ to be a sponsor, except that I don't do paypal.
maymay said
at 8:44 am on Feb 4, 2009
I'm absolutely terrible with media, so any help with AV stuff is appreciated! I plan to bring my computer and, if I do any presentations, a microphone to record myself with, which others are welcome to use as well. I'm not entirely sure how it'll work out, though.
As for sponsorship, keep a look out for an email from me. We can work around PayPal for money issues. If we end up getting enough monies to do it, I would be thrilled to be able to get everyone a catered meal!
Jason said
at 7:48 am on Feb 5, 2009
I have a very small battery powered PA (amp) and mic cable. If someone had a lavaliere or a wireless microphone, we could have a nice setup to provide amplification for those "low talkers" presenting at the event. I also have a couple of laptops that are let us say "riskable" that I would be willing to use as event loaners if people want to do powerpoint or net demonstrations. Anyone got an LCD projector? I'm up for playing AV boy for the event.
maymay said
at 9:04 am on Feb 5, 2009
Awesome, Jason! An AV boy sounds just like what the doctor ordered. :) Getting amplification for those of us who are "low talkers" (like me) sounds great. Even greater would be the possibility of recording everyone's presentation, so if we can also do that somehow, let's do our best to.
unspeakableaxe said
at 4:49 pm on Feb 19, 2009
I can bring audio recording equipment.
saraeileen@... said
at 10:48 pm on Feb 19, 2009
Hi all,
I'm adding this comment in order to preserve both the data integrity of this page and the commentary that has been made on it. Sassafras Lowrey has decided not to attend and has deleted her name from the list, with a comment. I want this list of attendees to stay functional, but don't wish to delete commentary when it occurs. Therefore, Sassafras, I've removed your name from the list and copied your commentary below. I hope this is acceptable to you.
On 02/19/09, Sassafrass Lowery wrote: "pulled out due to what I consider to be an irresponsible and insensitive policy regarding the safety of leather folk who do not wish to be publically photographed. "
maymay said
at 8:06 am on Mar 5, 2009
If you are participating, and especially if you are presenting, please go through these links as they will be very helpful in preparing you for this not-like-what-you're-used-to event!
* Please! Sign Up! http://groups.google.com/group/kinkforall/browse_thread/thread/a839ce8bdc72a785
* Coordination on the day: http://groups.google.com/group/kinkforall/browse_thread/thread/7c9db4a5557566c
* What to Expect at KinkForAll: http://groups.google.com/group/kinkforall/browse_thread/thread/e8adbe03b8fa102d
* Presentations: Not longer than 20 minutes! http://groups.google.com/group/kinkforall/browse_thread/thread/fd9feb88368d5937
Again, we've put these messages together because they are a few things you should read to make the event a successful one for you, so please take the time to read them. Thanks!
Lily said
at 8:48 am on Mar 6, 2009
Amy-- I think the editing mishap was my fault-- my formatting was off. I didn't think I had actually deleted anyone, however. My apologies.
Amy said
at 9:04 am on Mar 6, 2009
Nope, wasn't you - your formatting was off but I fixed it when I made my entry (after yours). You can look at the page history if you'd like.
Rose White said
at 11:54 am on Mar 6, 2009
I'm really disappointed -- my travel plans for going to the West Coast changed after I'd planned to do this, and I forgot to look at the dates! I really hope that this goes so incredibly well that there will be another one, because I want to be there!
maymay said
at 9:34 am on Mar 7, 2009
@Amy: Thanks for carefully watching and restoring the participant list after that editing mistake. Chalk up another reason why it's terribly awesome to have page histories recorded, eh? :)
Selina Fire said
at 6:26 am on Mar 8, 2009
I have a great projector, which I will bring, but I may not have proper cords to connect it to every type of laptop. People should bring connecting cords (laptop to projector) and adapters. That would help. Also, I'm concerned about the security of the projector. I cannot let it be used unless there's some way to secure it. Does that make sense? In other words, I could let an AV person be in charge of it if the equipment is supervised, or lend it to a specific presenter that I know. Hope that helps.
nyugirlintown said
at 11:49 pm on Mar 8, 2009
Will there be any compilation/list of blog posts about kfanyc? I think that'd be a great idea.
maymay said
at 10:43 am on Mar 9, 2009
NYUGirlInTown: There isn't yet, but I've been encouraging people who blog about KFANYC to use the tag "KFANYC". If they do this, then you should be able to use your favorite blog search engine to find all the appropriately related posts. See, for instance, http://technorati.com/tag/kfanyc for a good example of what this might look like.
Jack Stratton said
at 10:05 am on Jul 13, 2009
Are we still using the same donate page? I am going to put up a link on my blog and make a banner that other people can use if they'd like so we should make sure we are all on the same page... so to speak.
maymay said
at 10:07 am on Jul 13, 2009
Jack, this page is not the correct one for KinkForAll New York City 2. See my email to you, here: http://groups.google.com/group/kinkforall/browse_thread/thread/56a7eee2ad157da5#msg_d0d30bb1bd33e18d
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